EdTechTalk#53 – LibraryFest with Joyce Valenza

EdTechTalk#53 – LibraryFest

July 9, 2006

Download mp3 (30.7MB 1:06:37)

We had a very entertaining conversation with School Librarian Extraordinaire Joyce Valenza this week. We talked about the place of librarians and libraries in 2006, about all the great work that librarians are doing and about how libraries may evolve in the future. It’s a great introduction to what’s happening in the world of Libraries 2.0.


Chat Transcript Below

EdTechTalk#53 – LibraryFest

July 9, 2006

Download mp3 (30.7MB 1:06:37)

We had a very entertaining conversation with School Librarian Extraordinaire Joyce Valenza this week. We talked about the place of librarians and libraries in 2006, about all the great work that librarians are doing and about how libraries may evolve in the future. It’s a great introduction to what’s happening in the world of Libraries 2.0.


Chat Transcript Below

17:44:16 dave-on-air: hello chatroom

17:44:20 cwe: hello

17:45:43 dave-on-air: cwe did you sign up for the cms elgg?

17:47:19 cwe: I did – but I also have started a blog in the regular section of elgg

17:47:56 cwe: I was confused about the difference between the regular and the cms

17:51:42 dave-on-air: yes… were gonna have to sort that out

17:56:28 dave-on-air: hi milo

17:56:29 Milo: Ok… now I’m here

17:56:33 dave-on-air: glad you could make it

17:56:39 Milo: It’s Ross…

17:56:40 dave-on-air: yo ja.

17:56:48 JasonR…Calamari: Howdy

17:58:36 Milo: once upon a midnight dreary…

17:58:38 DougSymington: hi all

18:00:42 JL: Hey Doug – stream audio OK?

18:02:09 DougSymington: stream sounds very good

18:02:28 DougSymington: I concur Calamari rocks as a 2nd Life guide/concierge

18:02:36 Milo: how many people are on the Skeype cast? I only see 4 folks listed.

18:03:16 JasonR…Calamari: OK

18:03:27 JasonR…Calamari: Hi Cosmo/Doug

18:03:46 dave-on-air: chart in chat

18:03:49 dave-on-air: nice

18:04:22 dave-on-air: hello

18:05:12 JasonR…Calamari: Dropped from Skypecast…try back in a few

18:05:36 joycevalenza: hi peter

18:05:49 PeterMilbury: Hi Joyce!

18:05:51 joycevalenza: hi bev–are you a librarian

18:06:43 PeterMilbury: What is the skype download adress?

18:06:56 dave-on-air: http://skype.com

18:07:58 bevgold: hi joyce….yes, I am a librarian

18:08:09 bevgold: elementary school

18:09:09 Milo: I would think physicists and engineers were the first to latch on to the internet….

18:09:27 dave-on-air: i think she means for educators

18:10:01 Milo: not sure… I’d go with science teachers on that one… but I’d credit librarians for thinking through how to actually implement it

18:11:55 JL: We want to hear from all those interested in chiming in – anyone in the skypecast want to be unmuted?

18:14:16 Milo: are there still just 4 folks in the Skype? I am not entirely sure my list is correct.

18:14:32 JL: it is

18:14:40 Milo: Tx

18:15:12 Frances_M.: Can she gives ideas how she gets her high school excited about literacy?

18:15:33 dave-on-air: mmm… and by literacy you mean?

18:15:37 dave-on-air: traditional literacy?

18:15:42 Frances_M.: yes sorry

18:15:42 dave-on-air: reading and writing?

18:15:50 Milo: Joyce… do you know Greg Jones?

18:16:00 Frances_M.: reading and using lbrary resources.

18:18:22 Milo: I’d agree there…

18:18:48 Milo: books do not really hold all the pertinent information anymore… the publishing world is too slow

18:19:00 bevgold: Teachers (and parents) at the elementary level want much more information literacy as a critical part of instruction. Evaluating the information results from the internet, specifically.

18:20:20 dave-on-air: there are still a couple of books that are pretty good…

18:20:21 dave-on-air: 🙂

18:22:11 Milo: or ripping them from LimeWire

18:22:20 dave-on-air: yes…

18:23:33 Milo: one interesting literacy is how kids get to information that adults or the IP laws try to prevent them from getting.

18:25:38 dave-on-air: got your back milo

18:27:52 Milo: yeah.. but Iverson is a baby

18:27:54 Milo: j/k

18:28:01 dave-on-air: lol

18:32:50 Milo: me too… got stuck… Friedman is a great speaker

18:35:01 JL: If anyone else would like to chime in, skypecast is at https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16929

18:35:26 JasonR: Anyone actually read an ebook?

18:35:34 dave-on-air: i tried many times

18:35:39 dave-on-air: can’t read a full book

18:36:49 Milo: that’s a great idea

18:37:14 Milo: the problem always has been audience… it’s great to move it outside the teacher…

18:37:25 dave-on-air: sing it!

18:37:34 Milo: doe a deer..

18:37:35 Milo: that one?

18:37:36 dave-on-air: a teacher is a very silly audience really

18:39:48 Frances_M.: Is there a way of getting a copy of the chat? There are so many wonderful ideas?

18:40:03 dave-on-air: we always post it as a podcast

18:40:11 dave-on-air: with a link to the copy of the chatroom

18:40:34 Frances_M.: Thanks I look later

18:42:43 bevgold: It’s the same at the elementary level. Curriculum support/team teaching.

18:44:01 dave-on-air: http://www.google.ca/search?q=which+20th…

18:44:24 Milo: one of my favorite things to do in high school (pre-dates Google by some years), was figuring out how to refine my search…

18:45:20 Milo: it was imperative then… now, it’s much more user friendly. Rather than ME having to speak the organization language, Google and others can hear whatever language I speak

18:50:19 joycevalenza: http://mciu.org/~spjvweb/catalogs.html

18:50:28 Milo: I am very blessed to be at a large research university…

18:50:42 Milo: ALL my research is via online DBs available in our library

18:50:48 dave-on-air: hee hee

18:51:03 JL: http://www.ipl.org/

18:51:31 Milo: and… they connect nicely to my bibliographic software – saving lots of time later on

18:52:19 JL: http://joycevalenza.com/

18:52:42 JenW: http://www.ipl.org/div/pf/entry/48519

18:52:49 JenW: presidents link

18:53:18 dave-on-air: thanks Jen.

18:53:18 bevgold: Take a look at my school’s library portal page:

18:53:22 bevgold: http://www.neisd.net/canyon/libportal.htm

18:53:28 dave-on-air: see… this is what i like

18:53:35 dave-on-air: everybody flying in with links!!!

18:55:12 joycevalenza: http://mciu.org/~spjvweb/pathfinders.html

18:55:31 JenW: link doesn’t work — please repost

18:55:50 joycevalenza: http://mciu.org/~spjvweb/pathmenu.html

18:55:52 joycevalenza: sorry

18:56:22 JenW: thank you — that worked

18:56:57 Milo: I’m not sure kids have the skills to evaluate well without guidance about it…

18:57:10 dave-on-air: that’s the whole reason to teach it in school

18:57:27 JenW: link to skype please???

18:57:32 Milo: Right – and that is the literacy training that I promote

18:57:36 dave-on-air: skypecast?

18:57:41 JenW: yes

18:57:46 JL: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16929

18:59:39 Milo: research has shown that wikipedia’s science articles are *more* accurate than printed encyclopedias (British researchers found this, I think)

18:59:50 dave-on-air: turned out to be bogus research

19:00:00 Milo: there were a couple of reports…

19:00:01 dave-on-air: that was ‘Nature magazine’

19:00:23 dave-on-air: and encyclopedias were never really super accurate anyway 🙂

19:00:39 Milo: accuracy is relative, I guess

19:00:41 chart: Kathy Schrock has a lot of information on evaluating websites http://kathyschrock.net/abceval/

19:00:50 Milo: Good sit, Chart

19:01:37 Milo: I mean site…

19:01:42 Milo: (long i)

19:02:10 chart: 🙂

19:02:21 mtaylor: C-Span http://www.c-span.org/classroom/bhm2004.asp

19:04:22 Frances_M.: http://www,answer.com/ Is a good start

19:04:55 Milo: To php or not to php…

19:04:59 Milo: that is the question

19:05:11 Milo: oh wait…

19:05:22 Milo: to php or to asp… THAT is the question

19:05:52 Milo: hmm…

19:06:02 JasonR: “W\e’re paying them to report, and they take it from blogs?”… http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/52849

19:06:13 Milo: that attitude is one of the biggest shifts in Western education over the last four decades…

19:06:13 JenW: Excellent Excellent comments Joyce!!

19:06:27 Milo: much more of a post-modern perspective

19:06:29 dave-on-air: yes. joyce is quite cool.

19:06:35 JasonR: A little political but an interesting link

19:06:37 dave-on-air: mmm… postmodernism

19:06:44 dave-on-air: gotta get that into every show

19:07:17 dave-on-air: http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2006/06/27/ppl_frmr.html

19:07:28 chart: Value added…

19:08:04 Milo: Virginia is the first state to fund what are known as “Instructional Technology Resource Teachers” – their role is to help teachers integrate instruction. MANY of these folks were in the role of “school librarian” previously… they have a lot of skills.

19:08:17 PeterMilbury: Question for Joyce: What about the digital divide as it affects states, such as california, where there are few librarians and no money for informational databses?

19:08:26 JenW: I just realized this started at 4 today rather than 5 — sadness

19:08:46 JL: skypecast link https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16929

19:08:47 Milo: shizzle… just heard thunder..

19:09:05 Frances_M.: You can read the log. She is excellent

19:09:14 PeterMilbury: Joyce, did you see my question?

19:09:21 dave-on-air: we got it

19:10:52 chart: Questia only view vs. a balance of various types of resources…

19:12:28 Milo: Access in sub-Saharan Africa is VERY problematic due to infrastructure challenges (human and technological).

19:12:38 dave-on-air: http://www.school-libraries.net/ wow…

19:12:42 dave-on-air: lotsof cool stuff here

19:12:48 Milo: Developing nations, quite simply, are without access.

19:12:50 dave-on-air: same peter?

19:13:52 PeterMilbury: This is ore up-to-date: http://melvil.chicousd.org/

19:13:56 chart: Does Joyce have a county media coordinator, or is she on her own?

19:14:11 Frances_M.: What databases would you recommand?

19:14:32 PeterMilbury: Well, a few of our schools do have databases, but nothing like most states.

19:14:50 dave-on-air: true milo, and many of them are gonna need a little peace before the access is goig to help them

19:15:02 PeterMilbury: Most california schools are database poor.

19:15:16 Frances_M.: high school NJ

19:15:49 Milo: dave – that’s what is the saddest thing.. those who could benefit the most from information access, can’t get it… the poor get poorer…

19:15:50 Frances_M.: new to the field. Looking of a high school position.

19:15:55 PeterMilbury: It certainly is a fest wih Joyce here! Many, many thanks to her.

19:16:03 Milo: here here

19:16:11 Milo: Great listening to you, Joyce

19:16:12 dave-on-air: indeed milo… and the $100 laptop isn’t going to solve that peace issue

19:16:27 chart: Good job Joyce:-)

19:16:46 PeterMilbury: Acepted!

19:16:54 Milo: Nope. $100 is 1/3 the salary of many in those places…

19:17:04 JasonR: THanks

19:17:30 Milo: are we staying in this skype chat window for the SLL2 thingy?

19:17:43 chart: Just come to Florida Peter and get payed via sunshine:-)

19:17:52 JenW: big topic at NECC

19:18:09 JenW: lots of pros and cons

19:18:15 Milo: Milo = RPSP

19:18:18 JasonR: Separate cast… https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16943

19:18:19 PeterMilbury: Bye, and thanks for having Joyce aboard.

19:18:24 JasonR: For SL

19:18:39 cwe: As usual I enjoyed the session

19:19:23 JenW: i can find the link to his keynote — brb

19:19:53 ROVER: good evening all

19:20:02 dave-on-air: good evening

19:21:36 dave-on-air: http://www.papert.org/

19:21:55 JenW: joyce — did you get to play with the laptop ($100) at the conference?

19:23:12 JenW: loaded extra junk adds $$$

19:23:33 chart: Don’t give them “white ear buds” (ie. iPod headphones)

19:24:05 Milo: Dave .. you Canadian?

19:24:40 JenW: if windows could address this — it would probably fly just because people are so much more comfy with a NON-open source — such as Windows. Linux based is a bit scarey — because it is unknown

19:24:42 JL: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16943

19:25:05 JenW: LOL they are soooo ORANGE

19:25:37 ROVER: Linux is the way to go UBUNTU <sp> is an easy distro to run & use

19:26:11 ROVER: plus it comes with Open Office (like Microsoft Office)

19:26:15 Milo: problem is that Linux carries with it a lot of geekdom overhead (I say that affectionately)..

19:26:47 Milo: folks in developing nations do not have the ICT infrastructure or training for people to administrate Linux…

19:27:14 ROVER: the LIVE CDs would work nice

19:27:29 Frances_M.: How do you get there from the chat?

19:28:02 ROVER: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=16943

19:32:00 ROVER: going to head out will be listening to stream

19:34:03 JenW: should the software be loaded??

19:35:44 dave-on-air: mmm…

19:35:54 dave-on-air: don’t understand the question jen

19:36:16 JenW: sorry — this is my first experience with 2nd life — to be able to see what is going on — should I have the software installed>

19:37:38 dave-on-air: oh yes.

19:37:46 JenW: okay — I am installing it now

19:37:52 dave-on-air: you’ll also need to sign up

19:37:58 JenW: I am Emmafer Levi 🙂

19:38:07 JenW: when it loads

19:38:11 dave-on-air: very nice

19:38:26 JenW: so look for me — please

19:39:43 dave-on-air: i will

19:39:51 dave-on-air: let me know when you get in

19:42:16 joycevalenza: where should i go?

19:42:24 dave-on-air: what’s your id

19:42:29 dave-on-air: i’ll send you a teleport

19:42:49 DougSymington: JenW/Emmafer ready for you an looking

19:43:17 DougSymington: forward to your arrival in 2nd Life

19:43:31 JenW: sorry — it won’t let me run it — I shall try again on my laptop to see if it will work

19:43:35 joycevalenza: joyce story

19:43:38 dave-on-air: coolio

19:45:05 DougSymington: Joyce just sent you a teleport

19:45:26 DougSymington: there you are!

20:01:44 CosmoCommons: Bev are you “inworld” in 2nd Life?

20:06:51 bevgold: No…sorry, got called away.

20:46:48 CosmoCommons: night all

20:47:01 CosmoCommons: my machine’s strugglin’ so I’m gonna give up on this chat

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  1. Libraryfest
    What an inspirational woman! Thanks so much Joyce. I wish my kids were at your school!
    In regard to the digital divide … it is a big issue here in Australia too. With a geographical situation not unlike Africa, we in Distance Education are severely hampered in our efforts to exploit the wealth of technology that should be available to our poorest and our remotest students (notably indigenous). There is a strong interest developing in mobile technolgy for education – something I haven’t heard you guys talk about …

  2. Texas Databases
    I’m happy to report that, through the continuously loud voices of TLA and individual Texas librarians, we will now have access to more databases. We did have a limited package available through our education service centers, but not nearly enough to meet our needs. Our legislature listened, and made TexShare, the group of databases that have only been available to our public libraries, available to school libraries.

    The resulting decrease in cost will allow us to have our DKC databases, plus the TexShare databases. This results in 40+ databases for a much lower cost.

    I can hardly wait to share these new resources with my teachers and students!

    Now the CLA will have to work on Arnie and their legislators to make it happen for them!

    GayLynn Reynolds, Librarian
    Southside High School
    San Antonio, Texas

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