EdTechTalk#58 – Chat Transcript



18:42:59 dave-on-air: hi stephen

18:43:09 Stephen_Downes: Hiya

18:45:06 dave-on-air: hey brad

18:45:11 dave-on-air: hope you have a coffee ready

18:45:16 Brad_Hicks: Hi guys – have to work today so unfortunately can’t hang around to help as a guide

18:45:45 Brad_Hicks: I really would have liked to listen in live to Stephen



18:42:59 dave-on-air: hi stephen

18:43:09 Stephen_Downes: Hiya

18:45:06 dave-on-air: hey brad

18:45:11 dave-on-air: hope you have a coffee ready

18:45:16 Brad_Hicks: Hi guys – have to work today so unfortunately can’t hang around to help as a guide

18:45:45 Brad_Hicks: I really would have liked to listen in live to Stephen

18:45:46 JL: thanks for checking in anyway

18:46:39 dave-on-air: hey jason

18:46:45 Brad_Hicks: Hey Stephen, wy wife and I watched your Open University session live and were blown away by it – particularly my wife who had not heard you talk before

18:46:53 JasonR_(WCA_intern): NP

18:47:33 dave-on-air: hi michael

18:47:46 Brad_Hicks: ok have a good show guys i look forward to the podacst audio

18:48:09 Michael_Feldstein: hello

18:48:21 JL: Hello Michael

18:48:27 dave-on-air: start time is in about 14 minutes

18:48:31 JL: Delighted you’re here

18:48:31 dave-on-air: we never start at the hour

18:48:32 dave-on-air: bad luck

18:49:08 Michael_Feldstein: Glad to be here

18:50:30 dave-on-air: hey ds

18:50:35 dave-on-air: and ageing_geek

18:50:44 DS: Hi everybody

18:52:31 JL: Hey DS

18:52:56 dave-on-air: hey nlowell

18:53:43 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone

18:53:48 DS: Hey Susan

18:53:49 dave-on-air: hey susan

18:54:41 SusanEttenheim: wanted to be here in case help was needed but then have to go finish making and serving dinner – got a little distracted before audio editing! – so will be in and out a bit later

18:55:00 JL: OK, thanks SE

18:55:58 barbara_in_ohio: greetings

18:56:07 dave-on-air: hey b!!!!

18:56:08 SusanEttenheim: compliments on the skypecast description for tonigh

18:56:10 dave-on-air: and cheryl

18:56:18 barbara_in_ohio: howdy

18:56:23 SusanEttenheim: hi barbara in ohio!

18:56:47 cheryloakes: Hi Barb long time no see

18:57:15 barbara_in_ohio: I am just off an 800 mile drive from (you’ll appreciate this Cheryl) Wells maine and am somewhat brain dead

18:57:19 cheryloakes: Hi John

18:57:20 dave-on-air: hi john

18:57:33 John_Blake: Hey Cheryl

18:57:35 cheryloakes: Barb how was your visit in Wells.

18:57:37 barbara_in_ohio: Jeff asked me to send this to the chat room: http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/05/11/antisocial_netw.html

18:58:00 John_Blake: Dave how are you?

18:58:01 SusanEttenheim: am here for any help..

18:58:09 dave-on-air: all is well…

18:58:21 SusanEttenheim: standing by ๐Ÿ™‚

18:58:23 John_Blake: ๐Ÿ˜‰

18:58:41 SusanEttenheim: barb – why wells, maine?

18:58:57 SusanEttenheim: how long have you been in maine/

18:59:00 SusanEttenheim: ?

19:00:01 SusanEttenheim: my heart is starting to pound..

19:00:14 JasonR(intern): *choochoo*

19:00:27 John_Blake: news goodie goodie

19:00:53 SusanEttenheim: I wonder if everyone in the skypecast knows about the chat room?

19:00:59 John_Blake: how much lag time is there between the audio and us?

19:01:12 DS: 20 to 30 seconds typically re lag

19:01:18 John_Blake: Go Hurricanes

19:01:22 John_Blake: hehe

19:01:31 SusanEttenheim: ๐Ÿ˜‰

19:01:47 SusanEttenheim: hi lee

19:01:52 John_Blake: *harp*

19:02:05 SusanEttenheim: wow this is really the place to be on a sunday night!

19:02:16 John_Blake: music does not work on Mac

19:02:16 JasonR(intern): There are 3 versions of Bill Number H.R.5319 for the 109th Congress (DOPA)… http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.5319:

19:02:39 SusanEttenheim: there’s a great article on myspace in the ala journal this month

19:02:42 Lee: Hello

19:02:45 SusanEttenheim: hi mmmay

19:02:56 SusanEttenheim: you both sound great!

19:02:58 mmmay: Hello ๐Ÿ™‚

19:03:21 JenW: skypecastlink please??

19:03:23 John_Blake: Thanks for the 3 version link…

19:03:33 SusanEttenheim: http://bumpontheblog.etowns.net/?p=73

19:03:38 JenW: thanks Jason

19:03:38 SusanEttenheim: have you all seen this?

19:03:45 SusanEttenheim: thanks jason

19:04:30 SusanEttenheim: hi jenn

19:04:39 Jennifer_M: Hello!

19:05:21 John_Blake: Hello Jonathan

19:05:34 jonathan_seal: Hellow all

19:05:43 JasonR(intern): BB patent in plain English… http://mfeldstein.com/index.php/weblog/permalink/the_blackboard_patent_claims_in_plain_english/

19:05:47 FrancesL: hello everyone from Vancouver, Canada

19:06:00 John_Blake: Hello FrancesL

19:06:11 FrancesL: hi John

19:06:19 sharon_p: greetings from Montrรฉal Canada! I am eebee in the skypecast

19:06:27 DS: welcome from the “lower mainland” Frances, I’m in Victoria ๐Ÿ˜‰

19:06:37 FrancesL: Hi dave

19:06:50 dave-on-air: hey all

19:06:59 JenW: very good group tonight

19:07:19 JasonR(intern): Deleting Our Personal Access act :< (props to JL)

19:08:15 Lee_Baber: Hi Cathy

19:08:19 Cathy_Evanoff: hello

19:09:09 SusanEttenheim: hi cathy

19:09:16 SusanEttenheim: good one jason

19:09:23 Cathy_Evanoff: Hi Susan

19:09:25 JasonR(intern): So private schools will continue to have access to online predators? *)

19:09:38 John_Blake: That Funding is something our district can not do without!

19:09:44 SusanEttenheim: you get what you pay for jason!

19:09:45 JL: Thank you for extending an invite to Blackboard to participate in this evening’s EdTech program. While we appreciate your effort to include Blackboard, at this time we are unable to participate. Please find a few comments we hope you will provide for your audience during the program from Blackboard’s president and CEO Michael Chasen: “I believe there has been a great deal of confusion about the scope of the patent and our intentions behind the legal action.

19:10:08 JL: Following is a brief history around our patent. After the release of our first products – back in 1998, a core group of people at Blackboard looked at the CMS technology available at the time and identified improvements that would enable the CMS to function as a true enterprise application for educational institutions. We focused our resources on developing solutions with the student-centric functionality to allow the Blackboard CMS to serve the increasingly complex needs of the industry. Though we were still in our early stages as a small player in the software industry, we recognized the importance of protecting our innovations in our products. As a result, seven years ago, we filed for patent protection on these developments in various countries around the world.

19:10:21 John_Blake: BOO

19:10:24 John_Blake: hehe

19:10:29 John_Blake: kidding

19:10:54 JL: Please know that the patent covers only specific features and functionality contained in the Blackboard system that were developed by the Blackboard team. We certainly did not invent e-learning or course management systems, and I am personally embarrassed that this is what some people have stated that Blackboard is claiming. Over the last decade and longer, fantastic advancements have been made throughout the e-learning industry by a diverse and passionate community of individuals and institutions and Blackboard is privileged to have been a contributor. We hope that such innovations will continue. We are asking Desire2Learn for a reasonable royalty for their use of our intellectual property, which is in line and consistent with industry practices — similar to the way in which Blackboard pays royalties to numerous companies for use of ideas they have developed and patented.”

19:10:57 John_Blake: is everyone listening to the audio?

19:11:04 FrancesL: yes

19:11:08 John_Blake: cool

19:11:15 Harold_Jarche: listening

19:11:21 SusanEttenheim: yes

19:11:29 SusanEttenheim: is anyone having trouble hearing?

19:11:50 Cathy_Evanoff: I am hearing just fine.

19:11:50 John_Blake: perfect here

19:11:58 JasonR(intern): No trouble with the Skypecast on my end

19:12:15 jonathan_seal: yes

19:12:16 JasonR(intern): JL, can you continue to transcribe everything Dave says. ๐Ÿ™‚

19:12:55 Harold_Jarche: listening in chat – should I be in skypecast (where)?

19:13:05 John_Blake: explain Desire to Learn

19:13:14 Harold_Jarche: thanks

19:13:21 JasonR(intern): Harold. feel free to join the Skypecast

19:13:36 JL: http://www.desire2learn.com/patentinfo/

19:13:48 DS: D2L is a canadian software company

19:13:49 John_Blake: thanks

19:13:53 dave-on-air: http://mfeldstein.com/

19:14:21 JasonR(intern): If you join the Skypecast, you will muted in the beginning. Opportunities for commenting will follow a little later in the show.

19:14:29 Lee_Baber: Susan, I am having some audio drag..on and off

19:14:52 JoseR: The audio isn’t great today.

19:15:16 JL: If you’re having problems with Channel 1 – try Channel 3

19:15:16 jonathan_seal: What’s the link to the wikipedia article?

19:15:32 JL: links are on the left side menu of EdTechTalk

19:15:47 jonathan_seal: Thanks

19:16:01 JoseR: I am listening via the skypecast. The audio is more clear now.

19:16:05 John_Blake: ok…I see the links, they are perfect..

19:16:22 Lee_Baber: Oh no

19:16:47 barbara_in_ohio: who is speaking on air now?

19:16:50 Lee_Baber: It is as bad as we thought….frantic

19:17:02 JL: Michael Feldstein

19:17:02 dave-on-air: http://mfeldstein.com/

19:17:03 Lee_Baber: that is Michael Feldstein

19:18:24 John_Blake: i.e. Apple Records vs. Apple Computers

19:18:46 JenW: is the pencil patented???

19:19:00 John_Blake: prob;y

19:19:07 jonathan_seal: if it isn’t lets patent it soon.

19:19:19 John_Blake: hey Cheryl

19:19:33 johnm: Has the

19:19:41 John_Blake: how’s the weather in Maine?

19:19:53 cheryloakes: ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I got booted off in Firefox, just getting back.

19:20:05 John_Blake: ouch

19:20:09 SusanEttenheim: brb

19:20:10 cheryloakes: The weather is actually very cool, no humidity.

19:20:13 John_Blake: Flock is really cool

19:20:21 cheryloakes: I’ve not tried flockyet

19:20:31 John_Blake: love the blogging features

19:20:38 cheryloakes: thanks, I’ll look at it.

19:20:45 John_Blake: you will love it

19:20:54 John_Blake: integrated with Flickr

19:20:56 Lee_Baber: Yes, it can not be a patent on a “blanket” idea which obliterates others progression in an industry

19:20:58 johnm: has the “education community” ever gotten formal opinion from patent lawyers?

19:21:10 Lee_Baber: Good thought John

19:21:12 johnm: Is there a lobby for this “eduaction community?”

19:21:25 Stephen_Downes: you’re in it

19:21:26 Lee_Baber: Michael said that was one step to take..checking with lawyers

19:21:33 DS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virtual_learning_environments

19:21:51 dave-on-air: john that’s a great question

19:21:51 John_Blake: I want to keep my Moodle…

19:22:19 John_Blake: Fee Free!

19:22:25 John_Blake: oh

19:22:29 JL: Patent Grant Review Process http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/strat21/action/sr2.htm

19:22:29 cheryloakes: Sorry if this was already asked, but where does NEA and other education unions stand?

19:22:46 John_Blake: they prbly do not have a clue

19:22:57 John_Blake: too cutting edge for NEA

19:23:04 John_Blake: I will ask

19:23:16 cheryloakes: thanks for asking.

19:23:29 johnm: groups are fine, but the reality is, the education community needs to have lawyers to help with this.

19:23:57 Harold_Jarche: maybe we need oraise money for a legafnd for educating ourselves

19:24:09 johnm: possibly

19:24:12 John_Blake: I will forward Michael’s comments for our State Lobbyist

19:24:15 Harold_Jarche: legal fund

19:24:17 cheryloakes: Good topic, look at the full chat room.

19:24:19 johnm: something like that.

19:25:08 johnm: I think the higher education community has lawyers and lobbiests who could help with this as well as the next issue which is DOPA

19:25:08 John_Blake: ~30 in the chat room?

19:25:29 Lee_Baber: http://www.contentguard.com/

19:25:47 Lee_Baber: Yes, Stephen..good point

19:26:07 Lee_Baber: similar to our political system

19:26:56 JenW: what did D2L do differently than anyone else using BB??

19:26:58 cheryloakes: Jason, you are right on the ball, what a good host.

19:27:02 johnm: What about GNU and the free software association? Have they developed a sense of advocacy?

19:27:48 JasonR(intern): Oh noes, not a host, That’s Jeff and Dave. I’m just an intern. ๐Ÿ™‚

19:28:19 cheryloakes: I meant host in terms of the welcome committee and looking out for people, in a good way.:-)

19:28:20 dave-on-air: dopa next…

19:28:45 cheryloakes: good show Dave!

19:30:09 John_Blake: Cheryl, we need to count this as Professional Development ๐Ÿ˜‰

19:30:10 johnm: It is interesting to define who “the community” really is. Do they have representation in front of business of government to advocate for issues such as those we are discussing at the moment?

19:30:29 Lee_Baber: Blackboard said “the patent covers only specific features and functionality contained in the Blackboard system that were developed by the Blackboard team. We certainly did not invent e-learning or course management systems” just to help new viewers

19:30:36 Michael_Feldstein: Thank you for coming, John.

19:30:46 cheryloakes: Good point, I will start logging these hours.

19:31:07 JenW: Why do you think D2L became the target of BB??

19:31:14 JenW: and not other companies??

19:32:17 Harold_Jarche: D2L is taking customers from Blackboard % WebCT

19:32:36 JenW: by using the BB idea or the BB software??

19:32:55 John_Blake: type the email

19:32:56 Michael_Feldstein: May I add a comment?REquest to John?

19:33:13 dave-on-air: coming at you

19:33:16 dave-on-air: micahel

19:33:17 John_Blake: k

19:33:20 Harold_Jarche: D2L has its own software

19:33:24 JenW: ty

19:33:53 John_Blake: is it like Moodle? or closer to BB?

19:34:03 Stephen_Downes: If you’re on a mic, turn down the sound & use headphones ๐Ÿ™‚

19:34:17 johnm: edtechtalk should start a group for patent lawyers who might be interested in this issues to help advocate on behalf of this “community”

19:34:25 DS: Canadian companies (see Blackberry as well) seem to be a popular target of patent litigation.

19:34:26 John_Blake: headphones please

19:34:39 johnm: wanna get on that Jeff and Dave ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

19:34:48 Michael_Feldstein: I’m on a headset.

19:34:50 John_Blake: sound is fine now

19:35:07 John_Blake: everything is cool sorry

19:35:35 John_Blake: Michael, love your blog!

19:35:43 Michael_Feldstein: thx

19:36:20 cheryloakes: Thanks to John for coming and talking.

19:36:20 barbara_in_ohio: it is ia toss up as to which is more controversial: the Bb patent stuff or DOPA

19:36:41 johnm: DOPA

19:36:45 johnm: dear

19:36:46 John_Blake: Good Luck to D2l

19:37:18 Stephen_Downes: DOPA in the US, Blackboard patent outside of the US

19:37:42 John_Blake: My Democratic Congressman voted for it

19:37:48 barbara_in_ohio: but as the US goes might also go the rest of the world?

19:37:55 sharon_p: DOPA, if it passes, is a precedent that Canadians will surely follow

19:38:00 Stephen_Downes: Not on DOPA

19:38:02 johnm: yep

19:38:10 JenW: As did mine — but I wrote him and have a meeting with him on August 16th

19:38:12 cheryloakes: We need to send our govt. officials samples of what will no longer be available to us.

19:38:31 sharon_p: I would be interested about why Cdns might not necessarily follow…??

19:38:32 JenW: luckiily my local rep is quite accessible

19:38:33 Lee_Baber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deleting_Online_Predators_Act_of_2006

19:38:49 cheryloakes: Examples of what we won’t be able to access would make it more real to them, the only way to fight the media and predators.

19:38:49 carlaarena: in Brazil it’s not a big issue…well, most people are not connected, jeff

19:39:13 carlaarena: most of the classes are very traditional…

19:39:16 John_Blake: Cheryl, there are so many Preditor stories in the local news media

19:39:25 JL: please ask for mic if you’d like to chime in

19:39:28 cheryloakes: So Carla, it is really important for you to have people blog with your students since they won’t have local access.

19:39:28 sharon_p: I work in a very conservative school – once they see this… it’s over

19:39:28 Stephen_Downes: I just can’t see sweeping prohibition of types of website as being constitutional here

19:39:43 JasonR(intern): Has the industry responded? What does MySpace have to say?

19:39:48 carlaarena: teens are into IM, etc..but not blogging, not many of them…

19:39:51 johnm: It would be great if this group could come up with a draft letter to key Sentaors on the Committee

19:39:58 John_Blake: the political conservates rule the legislation

19:39:59 barbara_in_ohio: jeff and dave: I asked danah boyd to join you tonight on this but she could not make it… she has written extrensively on the subject of the important of thiongs like MySpace and Live Journal

19:40:10 johnm: Put in in the blogoshpere and have everyone send it

19:40:21 dave-on-air: would love to talk to you about it b.

19:40:25 John_Blake: go Stephens

19:40:54 barbara_in_ohio: danah’s post:http://www.danah.org/papers/MySpaceDOPA.html

19:41:14 Lee_Baber: Who has made a good list of restrictions if passed

19:41:23 John_Blake: Good point

19:41:41 barbara_in_ohio: everything but wikipedia would be affected (in terms of multiple user sites)

19:41:43 cheryloakes: Would flickr, clustr maps, Frappr survive Dopa?

19:41:50 dave-on-air: nope

19:41:51 barbara_in_ohio: Frappr, Flickr, mySpace, LJ…

19:41:53 John_Blake: Supreme Court case in the making

19:41:56 barbara_in_ohio: yes

19:42:02 barbara_in_ohio: cheryl: yes

19:42:06 sharon_p: If enough bad press is given to this in the States – then other countries might regard it as too silly

19:42:16 barbara_in_ohio: because there is, by their terms, no supervision

19:42:20 Graham: In Spain recently, a student was held responsible for an anonymous comment on his blog and fined 400 Euros

19:42:25 JenW: Yes, I think this will become a freedom of speech — or freedom to view??? issue

19:42:38 barbara_in_ohio: but if you read the legislation…it is NOT about limiting predators, it is about limiting access

19:42:44 cheryloakes: where are the librairians?

19:42:47 dave-on-air: yes

19:42:49 Michael_Feldstein: Unfortunately, it happens all the time.

19:42:56 Stephen_Downes: right barbara

19:42:56 sharon_p: so is this a matter of rewriting our AUPs?

19:42:58 John_Blake: who polices the Spainish fines? the teachers?

19:43:04 Michael_Feldstein: e.g., PATRIOT Act

19:43:10 JenW: Yes, I think AUP’S will be totally rewritten

19:43:21 Michael_Feldstein: That’s signing statements. Slightly different.

19:43:28 Graham: in this case, John, the student blog was a private, non-school blog

19:43:36 John_Blake: I would love to see a good AUP that addresses MySpace etc

19:43:50 JenW: I think there will be so many addendums — I hear it won’t affect colleges — but what about the students who are younger than 18 that ARE college students now?

19:44:02 cheryloakes: Carla AUP’s are written acceptable use policies that all students/employees have to sign in school districts. If you break the rules, you lose your internet access.

19:44:21 Michael_Feldstein: Great work, guys.

19:44:26 JenW: excellent night buys

19:44:33 Lee_Baber: Hear hear

19:44:34 John_Blake: Cheryl, if they get caught

19:44:34 johnm: I would guess the house passed the bill because few representatives had any clue of what was at stake.

19:44:47 JenW: NO — don’t make me choose

19:44:54 sharon_p: tough choice!

19:44:56 barbara_in_ohio: read the legislation, folks… you will be amazed

19:45:01 johnm: I think it is important for the community to use the bloggosphere to get letter to key Sentators

19:45:01 Michael_Feldstein: Exactly, John

19:45:04 sharon_p: will both be recorded?

19:45:10 johnm: they have no idea what is at stake

19:45:11 dave-on-air: yes they will

19:45:12 John_Blake: oh man…dual skypes

19:45:14 John_Blake: cool

19:45:15 cheryloakes: Okay, Barb, you have made me want to read this myself. Thanks,

19:45:19 johnm: but if a blogg movement were to take it on.

19:45:22 johnm: that would be NEWS

19:45:25 JasonR(intern): EdTechTalk DOPA skypecast… https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=23403

19:45:26 Michael_Feldstein: Senators only listen to their own constituents

19:45:33 johnm: not true

19:45:44 Michael_Feldstein: Important to contact your *own* Senator

19:45:47 JoseR: Which is which?

19:45:51 John_Blake: dang which on to pick…decissions decissions

19:45:52 cheryloakes: I’ve written to my senators, but I think it will require more than one letter,email.

19:45:58 John_Blake: phew recording

19:46:01 Stephen_Downes: I’ve never liked small groups

19:46:02 johnm: True, but staffers really pull the strings

19:46:11 johnm: so, if there were a blogg movement on this issue,

19:46:13 FrancesL: me either stephen

19:46:18 johnm: they would listen

19:46:21 John_Blake: oh man break out groups

19:46:24 barbara_in_ohio: -ish

19:46:26 John_Blake: awesome

19:46:32 cheryloakes: Have to head out. Will look for the recordings. Cheryl bye all

19:46:33 johnm: look how MySpace effected the immigration issue in CA and AZ

19:46:55 Graham: I have to go too – goodnight everyone

19:47:05 barbara_in_ohio: good night graham

19:47:08 DS: Cya Graham

19:47:13 [Room1] JenW: do we have a skype Address yet??

19:47:30 Michael_Feldstein: I have an answer to that.

19:47:40 Michael_Feldstein: You won’t like it.

19:47:46 [Room1] barbara_in_ohio: I’m lost…which room is this?

19:48:09 [Room1] jonathan_seal: you mean tell me.

19:48:35 dave-on-air: if you wanna chat.

19:48:37 dave-on-air: SPEAK UP

19:48:41 dave-on-air: i’ll find you

19:48:48 [Room1] JasonR(intern): DOPA text… http://edtechtalk.com/node/174

19:49:17 [Room1] JasonR(intern): DOPA… Deleting Our Personal Access

19:49:23 [Room1] John_Blake: I lost the skype to DOPA

19:49:35 Lee_Baber: I agree

19:50:01 [Room1] jonathan_seal: excellent point

19:50:04 [Room1] JasonR(intern): Anyone here use MySpace?

19:50:07 [Room1] John_Blake: thatnk

19:50:09 [Room1] JenW: yes

19:50:23 [Room1] JenW: I check my students ALL the time

19:50:32 [Room1] JasonR(intern): And won’t it just drive their networking underground?

19:50:38 [Room1] JenW: keep up with their goings ons

19:51:04 [Room1] DBragg: I have checked students on myspace and they are shocked that I can see what they have written

19:51:06 [Room1] jonathan_seal: I agree we need to educate how to keep students safe.

19:51:22 [Room1] carlaarena: so, jeff, if they need parental supervision, are they going to do that with all kinds of communication, including cell phones?

19:51:30 [Room1] jonathan_seal: Shouldn’t we try and teach this to the congressmen?

19:51:42 [Room1] carlaarena: i think we need to teach them

19:51:43 [Room1] DBragg: I have stopped lessons on a totally different subject to address blog/online safety

19:52:06 [Room1] JasonR(intern): Do you allow them to add you as friends in MySpace?

19:52:12 johnm: Has this issue been taken up by national assocations of Colleges and Univesities which DO have lawyers and lobbiests who can take on these issues

19:52:21 [Room1] barbara-in-ohio: (sorry: is the chatroom for the DOPA conversation?)

19:52:24 [Room1] carlaarena: in brazil, orkut is VERY popular

19:52:55 [Room1] carlaarena: that’s what i try to do too! I’m in Orkut with my students

19:53:03 [Room1] JasonR(intern): Is there any problems with orkut in Brazil. Any sensational news stories surrounding it?

19:53:06 [Room1] carlaarena: parents here don’t even know what blogging is…

19:53:49 [Room1] carlaarena: yes, Jason. But i think in the US it’s a bigger issue.

19:54:48 [Room1] carlaarena: in my case, in brazil, I really want to teach students to use those tools in a healthy, positive way

19:55:22 [Room1] DBragg: I wrote my senators and contacted the NEA and asked what they were doing for me about it – didn’t get a reply from any of them

19:55:30 [Room1] JenW: write them again

19:55:57 Michael_Feldstein: We neet to keep the heat on.

19:56:03 dave-on-air: oh yes

19:56:16 [Room1] DBragg: Oh, I will

19:56:23 [Room1] carlaarena: jeff, I’ll get my teens’ view to share with you!

19:56:34 [Room1] barbara-in-ohio: Folks: there is so much education about thses tools that have to happen just to gtet people up to steam… just explaining how we arecommunicatiing right now would impossible for some folks to understand

19:56:46 [Room1] carlaarena: they are really into IM, Orkut…

19:56:57 Michael_Feldstein: Make it a union issue.

19:57:02 [Room1] JasonR(intern): Afraid I have to check out. Thanks.

19:57:25 [Room1] John_Blake: Technology is wonderful, tried to launch Skype and man, what a mistake

19:57:52 SusanEttenheim: http://bumpontheblog.etowns.net/?p=73

19:57:56 SusanEttenheim: have you all seen this?

19:57:59 [Room1] DBragg: That education needs to be there for so many people (parent, teachers, administrators, politicians, etc.)

19:58:01 SusanEttenheim: I thought it was terrific

19:58:38 dave-on-air: we have one ๐Ÿ™‚

19:58:40 [Room1] DBragg: Let’s protect our kids for learning something…

19:58:46 SusanEttenheim: yes I love it!

19:59:25 [Room1] johnm: Edtech talk would serve the community well by drafting a letter that people could SEND via e-mail to Sentators to vote NO on this issue

19:59:29 [Room1] johnm: no one has a clue

19:59:41 [Room1] johnm: as to what is at stake

19:59:49 [Room1] John_Blake: that is a good idea Johnm

19:59:50 Michael_Feldstein: MAY I?

19:59:59 Lee_Baber: ๐Ÿ™‚

19:59:59 [Room1] johnm: put it on a wiki

20:00:01 [Room1] johnm: draft it

20:00:05 [Room1] johnm: tonight!!!

20:00:14 [Room1] johnm: send it off to the key senators, via e-mail

20:00:15 [Room1] John_Blake: need to get on it now,

20:00:27 [Room1] johnm: follow up with a phone call and/or visit to their aids on the hill

20:00:39 [Room1] johnm: the Legislative Aids are KEY

20:00:57 [Room1] johnm: flood thier offices with letters from the bloggosphere

20:01:06 [Room1] johnm: The letter can and should be drafted SOON

20:01:13 [Room1] DBragg: I am planning to talk to students about it right away, but we don’t come back into session until Sept.

20:01:36 [Room1] carlaarena: thanks, jeff!

20:01:37 [Room1] John_Blake: I sent my Congressman a Fax on DOPA and he still voted in favor of it

20:01:49 [Room1] johnm: talk to the aids

20:01:59 [Room1] carlaarena: it’s interesting to know what you are thinking, because our reality is totally different

20:02:03 Lee_Baber: great work

20:02:05 jonathan_seal: What’s the skype cast address again?

20:02:39 Jennifer_M: ๐Ÿ™‚

20:03:10 jonathan_seal: thanks

20:03:54 John_Blake: Man, my laptop did not like launching SKYPE with everything running

20:04:26 John_Blake: I will have to launch SKYPE prior to any future ETTs

20:05:04 johnm: An academic paper is ONE approach but you need to have lawyers on this as well

20:05:21 dave-on-air: agreed

20:05:29 johnm: Dave made an interesting suggestion to have a law school take this on….

20:05:47 HaroldJarche: Michael Geist?

20:05:54 johnm: or as I sugggested before, have an edtechtalk show for lawyers interested in the issue

20:06:24 dave-on-air: that’s a great idea john

20:06:30 HaroldJarche: ask Michael for advice? http://www.michaelgeist.ca/

20:06:40 DS: Harold, yes Stephen said he’s been in touch with Michael

20:06:55 HaroldJarche: excellent – I was offline for a while

20:07:12 Stephen_Downes: http://www.downes.ca/blackboard_patent.htm

20:07:16 JoseR: bye got to go. Looking forward to listening to podcast.

20:07:24 JL: bye Jose

20:07:26 johnm: the blackboard issue is only the opening salvo to the open source community

20:07:26 DS: bye Jose

20:07:29 Stephen_Downes: I sent an email to Michael

20:07:48 John_Blake: is that Innovate? Enovate? dang I can not spelel

20:08:07 johnm: you will serve “the community” well by establishing an on-going conversation for lawyers become part of these discusssions.

20:09:34 Stephen_Downes: Innovate

20:09:53 John_Blake: thanks, I am on their mailing list,

20:10:26 johnm: This is not only about power…..

20:10:32 johnm: it is about making money!!

20:10:50 johnm: power is a way to facilite the means to have some make money faster than others.

20:11:33 johnm: this group has “power” just has to learn how to use it to its advantage.

20:12:07 Lee_Baber: I am afraid we will have to buy “packages” from those few who control the internet…they offer packages like satellite tv…only for internet…

20:12:10 Michael_Feldstein: Power = money, money=power

20:12:10 John_Blake: that is why Ruppert Murdock is so big in Internet blogging

20:12:28 John_Blake: $$$ ๐Ÿ˜‰

20:13:31 johnm: What happened with Myspace and its influcence on the immigration protests

20:13:39 johnm: influence.

20:13:49 johnm: This social software has yet to realize its potential

20:13:50 dave-on-air: ?

20:13:55 dave-on-air: that’s sounds interesting

20:13:56 johnm: IF it can translate chat into policy

20:14:00 John_Blake: DOPA has the conservative right behind it and money talks…I would bet that is does pass

20:14:04 JenW: Well, I saw it cause students to uprise against something they knew nothing about.

20:14:12 johnm: and influencing those in power to work with them.

20:14:16 JenW: MySpace rallied them — but didn’t educate them

20:14:18 JenW: IMHO

20:14:23 johnm: I know that

20:14:31 johnm: its the rallying that is the important piece

20:14:40 Michael_Feldstein: I’m not familair with the immgrant protest angle

20:14:46 JenW: I believe you need to be informed before you rally

20:14:50 JenW: again — IMHO

20:15:21 johnm: That’s not the point Jen, the point is the potential social software has in influencing the power structures.

20:15:34 JenW: yes, I agree with that

20:15:43 John_Blake: the news media is very much a fear monger about predeter online

20:15:47 John_Blake: Great point

20:15:48 johnm: tjat

20:15:55 JenW: great night

20:16:00 John_Blake: night Jen

20:16:06 johnm: that is because the mommybloggers have realized the influence they can have on policy

20:16:11 johnm: this group needs to see that

20:16:17 FrancesL: thanks verymuch everyone — this has been great!

20:16:40 JenW: Don’t you think though that everything — even myspace becomes an area to breed fear rather than knowledge

20:16:53 johnm: if you don’t understand myspace

20:16:54 JenW: if used improperly

20:16:54 johnm: yes

20:17:32 John_Blake: Thanks for a great show! You guys Rock

20:17:39 Stephen_Downes: Good show ๐Ÿ™‚

20:17:44 Stephen_Downes: I have to run very soon

20:17:53 JenW: nice to be on the same website as you Stephen — such a treat

20:17:59 JenW: or skypecast I guess

20:18:15 John_Blake: crash time?

20:18:18 Stephen_Downes: Thanks Jen ๐Ÿ™‚

20:18:40 Lee_Baber: Thanks so much Stephen for discussing my questions as well…

20:18:45 DS: thanks Stephen, Michael and all for a great show

20:18:54 JenW: and very impressive to get the D2L gentleman too!!!

20:19:23 John_Blake: Night all ๐Ÿ™‚

20:19:27 Lee_Baber: Thanks Michael for everything

20:19:37 Stephen_Downes: I agree, Michael

20:19:39 Lee_Baber: Jeff and Dave…great job.

20:19:48 FrancesL: thanks everyone — much appreciated!

20:20:06 Stephen_Downes: Gotta run… bye everyone ๐Ÿ™‚

20:20:15 JL: Please ask for mic if anyone would like to join in

20:20:39 dave-on-air: bye stephen

20:22:58 HaroldJarche: Hi Joyce – they were looking for a librarian earlier

20:23:14 JL: join the skypecast

20:23:43 joycevalenza: we won!

20:23:51 dave-on-air: grat

20:23:53 dave-on-air: great

20:26:22 JenW: โ€œHe who receives ideas from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine receives light without darkening meโ€

20:26:32 JenW: Thomas Jefferson

20:29:04 johnm: This is great conversation, but I do think we would all benefit from the opinions of one or more patent lawyers who know patent law

20:29:36 Michael_Feldstein: Absolutely

20:29:48 HaroldJarche: All the US patent Office is Google to search for prior art in this case

20:30:24 rentre: See you tomorrow Dave. ๐Ÿ˜€

20:30:30 HaroldJarche: Lawrence Lessig?

20:30:42 Michael_Feldstein: EFF

20:31:19 HaroldJarche: EFF would be good start

20:31:24 joycevalenza: agree!

20:31:28 Michael_Feldstein: BErkman Center at Harvard

20:31:42 HaroldJarche: http://www.eff.org/

20:31:46 Michael_Feldstein: Al Essa has contacted EFF

20:31:49 Lee_Baber: Great!

20:32:05 joycevalenza: i am late–did we discuss university ownership of faculty-developed content?

20:32:22 gomer: Some of the universities that developed this technology have highly-skilled IP lawyers. The researchers who developed these systems should push their university legal staff to get on-board.

20:32:34 Martin_Dougiamas: hi all

20:32:39 JL: Hello Martin

20:32:41 dave-on-air: hey martin

20:32:41 DS: Hi Martin

20:32:46 JL: Delighted you could join us

20:32:56 JL: We hoped if we just kept talking you’d show up ๐Ÿ™‚

20:33:07 Lee_Baber: Hello Martin

20:33:27 Martin_Dougiamas: glad to be here

20:33:50 Lee_Baber: Hello Bob

20:34:09 Lee_Baber: Good Idea

20:34:15 elderbob: Hello all.

20:34:24 JenW: I would sign the letter he is talking about — we are a forum now!! A recognized forum

20:34:51 Cathy_Evanoff: Got to run- see ya’ll

20:34:59 Lee_Baber: Yes, draft it so it is consistantly described to legislators

20:35:04 joycevalenza: i love this idea. it can be posted as well on all of our blogs

20:35:09 Lee_Baber: yes

20:35:43 joycevalenza: The word has to get out, bigtime

20:36:43 elderbob: Its a little hard to beleive that any of this happens on the part of ignorance of the people who write the laws.

20:36:57 elderbob: Even if they are ignorannnt, their staffs are not.

20:37:08 johnm: that is true, but maybe not.

20:37:16 elderbob: Indeed, if ignorance is present, it is in the part of thier constituents.

20:37:23 johnm: What impact have the “mommybolggers” had on this legislation

20:37:32 JenW: i don’t think their staffs are ignorant but I think their staffs aren’t informed.

20:37:36 Michael_Feldstein: NoEduPatents.org

20:37:37 johnm: what number of them have actually helped draft the legislation

20:38:00 joycevalenza: our work with educational blogging is less mainstream than we would think

20:38:03 JenW: what was the link he gave please

20:38:06 dave-on-air: http://noedupatents.org/

20:38:08 JenW: thank you

20:39:27 JenW: what a night — the D2L guy, Stephen D, Michael F., Martin D………wow

20:39:35 JenW: and all of us

20:39:38 Lee_Baber: Yes Jen, I agree

20:39:51 JenW: where do I begin to blog about this????? ๐Ÿ™‚

20:40:03 Lee_Baber: Everywhere

20:40:09 Lee_Baber: you go

20:41:00 JenW: ??? Can we quote the BB letter on our blog???? or would you rather we not???

20:41:03 johnm: good night all……thanks Dave and Jeff for a GREAT show!

20:41:12 Lee_Baber: Night John

20:41:35 HaroldJarche: ah yes, CORBA ๐Ÿ˜‰

20:42:42 elderbob: Virtually anyone can file a patent for anything….it is when someone goes to court to say that another had violated a patent, that the excitement should begin.

20:43:08 elderbob: And a patent can only exist until a court says it cant.

20:43:31 elderbob: SO to some extent these appear to be test cases.

20:44:11 elderbob: The very reason that this case in the states was filed in the Eastern Court of Texas is because that set of courts is fairly well koown as the Patent Pirates courts.

20:45:33 bruno: very interesting, elderbob

20:45:48 HaroldJarche: The Harvard Mouse, anyone?

20:45:51 Michael_Feldstein: Business process patents, which are also evil

20:46:41 JenW: what was the name of the man from D2L??

20:46:44 JenW: please

20:47:01 Michael_Feldstein: Me too

20:47:03 HaroldJarche: John MacLeod?

20:47:06 JenW: Thank you

20:47:30 Michael_Feldstein: History of Virtual Learnign Environments

20:47:36 Lee_Baber: Thanks Martin!

20:47:55 Michael_Feldstein: Thank you, Martin.

20:48:19 Lee_Baber: hmmmm

20:48:25 Lee_Baber: interesting ??

20:48:35 Lee_Baber: If we had only known

20:48:51 JenW: can we post that about MS and Moodle?

20:49:03 elderbob: What about Moodle and Google….

20:49:30 JenW: LOL — okay it is blogged

20:49:33 elderbob: Will Googles efforts to provide space for open source help moodle.

20:50:13 Lee_Baber: THank you so much .. this has been very informative

20:50:38 HaroldJarche: TTFN

20:50:42 JenW: EXCELLENT NIGHT

20:50:50 joycevalenza: bye all!

20:50:50 Michael_Feldstein: Thanks, guys

20:51:31 Jennifer_M: Great show!

20:51:42 Michael_Feldstein: Party on, dudes

20:51:59 DS: wonderful discussion, thanks all

20:52:07 bruno: great show, thanks

20:52:23 elderbob: Great for everyone’s participation.

20:52:26 Michael_Feldstein: bye all

20:52:31 Lee_Baber: Thanksss

20:52:32 JenW: Great night again

20:53:51 Lee_Baber: Night All

20:54:11 Lee_Baber: By Michael!

21:07:33 anonymous: Is discussion over?

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