EdTechTalk47_Chat_Transcript

05/28/06 18:42:52 DougSymington: hey dave

05/28/06 18:48:06 dave: hey doug

05/28/06 18:48:14 dave: not expecting a big crowd

05/28/06 18:48:19 dave: forgot it was memorial day weekend

05/28/06 18:48:24 DougSymington: right

05/28/06 18:48:50 DougSymington: just reading ’bout “oriellyism” at the link you posted

05/28/06 18:48:57 DougSymington: and the comments

05/28/06 18:49:02 DougSymington: interesting stuff

05/28/06 18:50:20 DougSymington: hi me

05/28/06 18:50:43 me: hey

05/28/06 18:51:19 dave: who do you figure me is?

05/28/06 18:51:39 dave: hilarious

05/28/06 18:52:37 DougSymington: not sure–who was me?

05/28/06 18:52:42 dave: oh no

05/28/06 18:52:47 dave: maybe he was on first

05/28/06 18:53:30 DougSymington: has the hockey game started yet?

05/28/06 18:53:50 dave: not sure

05/28/06 18:53:57 dave: not much of a hockey guy I’m afraid

05/28/06 18:53:57 DougSymington: I think it’s buffalo and carolina for Game 5 for tonight’s tilt

05/28/06 18:53:59 dave: love to play

05/28/06 18:54:19 DougSymington: there you go

05/28/06 18:54:28 DougSymington: the strike really killed it for me

05/28/06 18:54:36 DougSymington: good to see the Oil in the final tho

05/28/06 18:54:39 dave: as for so many others

05/28/06 18:56:14 dave: +99001110009583812

05/28/06 18:56:18 dave: skypecast

05/28/06 18:56:26 dave: wanna jump in?

05/28/06 18:56:39 dave: i am very short of peeps as you can tell

05/28/06 18:56:50 dave: not that you would be a last choice or anything

05/28/06 18:56:56 dave: 🙂

05/28/06 18:57:32 DougSymington: on my way

05/28/06 19:01:22 dave: comin’ at ya doug

05/28/06 19:07:52 DougSymington: I’m gonna reboot and try skype again

05/28/06 19:13:59 JasonRobertshaw: Nicholas Carr’s perspective: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/05/opensource_trad.php

05/28/06 19:15:33 bon: what are the irish conference folks doing about this brouhaha?

05/28/06 19:15:51 JasonRobertshaw: Unless Doug is cleverly echoing everything you say 🙂

05/28/06 19:16:36 dave: what’s your skype id jason?

05/28/06 19:18:33 JasonRobertshaw: No skypy for me at the moment…but in the future it’s “cephalopodcast”

05/28/06 19:20:32 JasonRobertshaw: O’reilly et al. trademarked the term “Web 2.0” shortly after it was coined. It was generic when they started the trademark process as I understand it.

05/28/06 19:20:43 JasonRobertshaw: It was not generic

05/28/06 19:22:29 JasonRobertshaw: BoingBoing and Cory Doctorow respond: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html

05/28/06 19:25:37 JasonRobertshaw: Sorry, according to Cory Doctorow, “O’Reilly exec Dale Dougherty coined the term Web 2.0, and O’Reilly used it for a line of very successful conferences chaired by Boing Boing’s business manager, John Battelle (I’ve been a speaker at Web 2.0 as well, and found the con to be an amazing, eye-opening experience).”

05/28/06 19:25:44 JasonRobertshaw: 🙂

05/28/06 19:27:05 JasonRobertshaw: “Still pissed off…” Yeah, but their Irish 😉

05/28/06 19:27:49 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html

05/28/06 19:30:07 Harold_Jarche: hi guys

05/28/06 19:30:16 DougSymington: Hey Harold

05/28/06 19:31:13 JasonRobertshaw: You go Dave!

05/28/06 19:33:18 Harold_Jarche: Harold 2.0 here

05/28/06 19:33:25 dave: lol

05/28/06 19:34:13 JasonRobertshaw: But isn’t it only generic in hindsight?

05/28/06 19:34:17 DougSymington: funny Harold, hi Brad

05/28/06 19:34:33 Harold_Jarche: is there a difference between a trade mark and a service mark ( that’s the term o’reilly used)

05/28/06 19:34:34 Brad_Hicks: hey guys

05/28/06 19:36:17 bon: is the term servicemark his own? or where else is it used?

05/28/06 19:36:18 JasonRobertshaw: According to Nick Carr, “servicemarks are trademarks (applied to services rather than goods)”

05/28/06 19:36:23 bon: thanks jason

05/28/06 19:36:44 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html

05/28/06 19:36:46 dave: one more time

05/28/06 19:36:52 Harold_Jarche: any lawyers in the house?

05/28/06 19:37:10 DougSymington: O’Reilly needed a test case for EU, that’s why

05/28/06 19:37:37 Harold_Jarche: ah ha

05/28/06 19:37:40 Brad_Hicks: so maybe we should all just start using a new term for it? – I’m sure it could be coined very quickly via the net – make the term web 2.0 irrelevant! lol

05/28/06 19:37:51 JasonRobertshaw: What’s the alternative? So many people whing at the term Web 2.0 anyway.

05/28/06 19:38:00 Harold_Jarche: web 4.7?

05/28/06 19:38:06 JasonRobertshaw: Web 2.1

05/28/06 19:38:49 JasonRobertshaw: So the conferenc schwag will be more collectible?

05/28/06 19:38:55 DougSymington: lol

05/28/06 19:39:00 Brad_Hicks: 2.0 web? :p

05/28/06 19:39:34 DougSymington: BBerr

05/28/06 19:39:36 DougSymington: y

05/28/06 19:39:36 JasonRobertshaw: Not a product…a service

05/28/06 19:39:48 Harold_Jarche: we are not a company – we are a community – much better

05/28/06 19:40:05 JasonRobertshaw: Agreed, Harold.

05/28/06 19:40:57 DougSymington: let’s have a ‘cast from the conf

05/28/06 19:41:26 JasonRobertshaw: Thanks Tom.

05/28/06 19:43:10 Brad_Hicks: soldier on dave 🙂

05/28/06 19:43:20 dave: lol

05/28/06 19:43:22 dave: thanks brad

05/28/06 19:46:46 DougSymington: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/

05/28/06 19:48:35 JasonRobertshaw: Tempest in a teapot

05/28/06 19:48:47 dave: so you’ve been saying

05/28/06 19:48:54 dave: i’m not so sure

05/28/06 19:49:13 dave: it shows, if nothing else, that the response of the community affects policy

05/28/06 19:50:00 Brad_Hicks: if a company wins on something so ridiculous – more the fools us if we stand by and let it happen

05/28/06 19:50:44 Brad_Hicks: boycott there products/services

05/28/06 19:50:50 Brad_Hicks: their*

05/28/06 19:51:10 DougSymington: Harold, Harold, Harold

05/28/06 19:51:54 JasonRobertshaw: Still, this reminds me of the mob justice/mentality that digg delivered to PriceRitePhoto

05/28/06 19:52:20 Brad_Hicks: yep anyone who tries this sort os cr-p

05/28/06 19:52:31 Brad_Hicks: of*

05/28/06 19:53:52 JasonRobertshaw: And the response time to put out a fire is microscopic

05/28/06 19:54:06 JasonRobertshaw: Can’t take vacations anymore

05/28/06 19:55:23 dave: sorry doug

05/28/06 19:55:28 dave: having trouble getting you

05/28/06 19:55:42 DougSymington: no prob

05/28/06 19:56:15 DougSymington: skype’s been very tempermental this eve

05/28/06 19:56:29 dave: it says i already have a conversation going with you

05/28/06 19:56:44 DougSymington: got a busy when I tried you

05/28/06 19:57:04 Brad_Hicks: gppd point harold

05/28/06 19:57:14 Brad_Hicks: good point

05/28/06 19:57:23 DougSymington: I’ve put it to bed for the night, enjoying the stream

05/28/06 19:57:37 dave: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/cory-doctorow-oreilly-apologist/

05/28/06 20:00:26 dave: thank you chatroom

05/28/06 20:00:35 dave: jason we need to argue about this further

05/28/06 20:00:51 Brad_Hicks: Thanks Dave

05/28/06 20:00:51 DougSymington: great show, look forward to the next go ’round

05/28/06 20:01:00 JasonRobertshaw: ‘kay. I’ll try to remember to bring my mic home next time.

05/28/06 20:01:31 DougSymington: thanks all, have a great week

05/28/06 20:01:55 Brad_Hicks: any post show?

05/28/06 20:02:04 JasonRobertshaw: I prefer to think of myself as irregular

05/28/06 20:02:09 dave: lol

05/28/06 20:02:11 DougSymington: keep Thursday night open–we can use the BStorm time…

05/28/06 20:02:12 DougSymington: lol

05/28/06 20:02:15 dave: perhaps more fiber

05/28/06 20:02:19 DougSymington: good one calamari

05/28/06 20:02:28 DougSymington: cya y’all soon

05/28/06 20:03:19 JasonRobertshaw: See, corps can’t take vacations.

05/28/06 20:03:27 JasonRobertshaw: Always on.

05/28/06 20:04:03 JasonRobertshaw: I’ll be in Second Life for a little while

05/28/06 20:04:09 JasonRobertshaw: Bye

05/28/06 20:04:15 Brad_Hicks: np dave , hope the little guy is doing well

05/28/06 20:04:27 Brad_Hicks: cya

05/28/06 18:42:52 DougSymington: hey dave

05/28/06 18:48:06 dave: hey doug

05/28/06 18:48:14 dave: not expecting a big crowd

05/28/06 18:48:19 dave: forgot it was memorial day weekend

05/28/06 18:48:24 DougSymington: right

05/28/06 18:48:50 DougSymington: just reading ’bout “oriellyism” at the link you posted

05/28/06 18:48:57 DougSymington: and the comments

05/28/06 18:49:02 DougSymington: interesting stuff

05/28/06 18:50:20 DougSymington: hi me

05/28/06 18:50:43 me: hey

05/28/06 18:51:19 dave: who do you figure me is?

05/28/06 18:51:39 dave: hilarious

05/28/06 18:52:37 DougSymington: not sure–who was me?

05/28/06 18:52:42 dave: oh no

05/28/06 18:52:47 dave: maybe he was on first

05/28/06 18:53:30 DougSymington: has the hockey game started yet?

05/28/06 18:53:50 dave: not sure

05/28/06 18:53:57 dave: not much of a hockey guy I’m afraid

05/28/06 18:53:57 DougSymington: I think it’s buffalo and carolina for Game 5 for tonight’s tilt

05/28/06 18:53:59 dave: love to play

05/28/06 18:54:19 DougSymington: there you go

05/28/06 18:54:28 DougSymington: the strike really killed it for me

05/28/06 18:54:36 DougSymington: good to see the Oil in the final tho

05/28/06 18:54:39 dave: as for so many others

05/28/06 18:56:14 dave: +99001110009583812

05/28/06 18:56:18 dave: skypecast

05/28/06 18:56:26 dave: wanna jump in?

05/28/06 18:56:39 dave: i am very short of peeps as you can tell

05/28/06 18:56:50 dave: not that you would be a last choice or anything

05/28/06 18:56:56 dave: 🙂

05/28/06 18:57:32 DougSymington: on my way

05/28/06 19:01:22 dave: comin’ at ya doug

05/28/06 19:07:52 DougSymington: I’m gonna reboot and try skype again

05/28/06 19:13:59 JasonRobertshaw: Nicholas Carr’s perspective: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/05/opensource_trad.php

05/28/06 19:15:33 bon: what are the irish conference folks doing about this brouhaha?

05/28/06 19:15:51 JasonRobertshaw: Unless Doug is cleverly echoing everything you say 🙂

05/28/06 19:16:36 dave: what’s your skype id jason?

05/28/06 19:18:33 JasonRobertshaw: No skypy for me at the moment…but in the future it’s “cephalopodcast”

05/28/06 19:20:32 JasonRobertshaw: O’reilly et al. trademarked the term “Web 2.0” shortly after it was coined. It was generic when they started the trademark process as I understand it.

05/28/06 19:20:43 JasonRobertshaw: It was not generic

05/28/06 19:22:29 JasonRobertshaw: BoingBoing and Cory Doctorow respond: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html

05/28/06 19:25:37 JasonRobertshaw: Sorry, according to Cory Doctorow, “O’Reilly exec Dale Dougherty coined the term Web 2.0, and O’Reilly used it for a line of very successful conferences chaired by Boing Boing’s business manager, John Battelle (I’ve been a speaker at Web 2.0 as well, and found the con to be an amazing, eye-opening experience).”

05/28/06 19:25:44 JasonRobertshaw: 🙂

05/28/06 19:27:05 JasonRobertshaw: “Still pissed off…” Yeah, but their Irish 😉

05/28/06 19:27:49 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html

05/28/06 19:30:07 Harold_Jarche: hi guys

05/28/06 19:30:16 DougSymington: Hey Harold

05/28/06 19:31:13 JasonRobertshaw: You go Dave!

05/28/06 19:33:18 Harold_Jarche: Harold 2.0 here

05/28/06 19:33:25 dave: lol

05/28/06 19:34:13 JasonRobertshaw: But isn’t it only generic in hindsight?

05/28/06 19:34:17 DougSymington: funny Harold, hi Brad

05/28/06 19:34:33 Harold_Jarche: is there a difference between a trade mark and a service mark ( that’s the term o’reilly used)

05/28/06 19:34:34 Brad_Hicks: hey guys

05/28/06 19:36:17 bon: is the term servicemark his own? or where else is it used?

05/28/06 19:36:18 JasonRobertshaw: According to Nick Carr, “servicemarks are trademarks (applied to services rather than goods)”

05/28/06 19:36:23 bon: thanks jason

05/28/06 19:36:44 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html

05/28/06 19:36:46 dave: one more time

05/28/06 19:36:52 Harold_Jarche: any lawyers in the house?

05/28/06 19:37:10 DougSymington: O’Reilly needed a test case for EU, that’s why

05/28/06 19:37:37 Harold_Jarche: ah ha

05/28/06 19:37:40 Brad_Hicks: so maybe we should all just start using a new term for it? – I’m sure it could be coined very quickly via the net – make the term web 2.0 irrelevant! lol

05/28/06 19:37:51 JasonRobertshaw: What’s the alternative? So many people whing at the term Web 2.0 anyway.

05/28/06 19:38:00 Harold_Jarche: web 4.7?

05/28/06 19:38:06 JasonRobertshaw: Web 2.1

05/28/06 19:38:49 JasonRobertshaw: So the conferenc schwag will be more collectible?

05/28/06 19:38:55 DougSymington: lol

05/28/06 19:39:00 Brad_Hicks: 2.0 web? :p

05/28/06 19:39:34 DougSymington: BBerr

05/28/06 19:39:36 DougSymington: y

05/28/06 19:39:36 JasonRobertshaw: Not a product…a service

05/28/06 19:39:48 Harold_Jarche: we are not a company – we are a community – much better

05/28/06 19:40:05 JasonRobertshaw: Agreed, Harold.

05/28/06 19:40:57 DougSymington: let’s have a ‘cast from the conf

05/28/06 19:41:26 JasonRobertshaw: Thanks Tom.

05/28/06 19:43:10 Brad_Hicks: soldier on dave 🙂

05/28/06 19:43:20 dave: lol

05/28/06 19:43:22 dave: thanks brad

05/28/06 19:46:46 DougSymington: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/

05/28/06 19:48:35 JasonRobertshaw: Tempest in a teapot

05/28/06 19:48:47 dave: so you’ve been saying

05/28/06 19:48:54 dave: i’m not so sure

05/28/06 19:49:13 dave: it shows, if nothing else, that the response of the community affects policy

05/28/06 19:50:00 Brad_Hicks: if a company wins on something so ridiculous – more the fools us if we stand by and let it happen

05/28/06 19:50:44 Brad_Hicks: boycott there products/services

05/28/06 19:50:50 Brad_Hicks: their*

05/28/06 19:51:10 DougSymington: Harold, Harold, Harold

05/28/06 19:51:54 JasonRobertshaw: Still, this reminds me of the mob justice/mentality that digg delivered to PriceRitePhoto

05/28/06 19:52:20 Brad_Hicks: yep anyone who tries this sort os cr-p

05/28/06 19:52:31 Brad_Hicks: of*

05/28/06 19:53:52 JasonRobertshaw: And the response time to put out a fire is microscopic

05/28/06 19:54:06 JasonRobertshaw: Can’t take vacations anymore

05/28/06 19:55:23 dave: sorry doug

05/28/06 19:55:28 dave: having trouble getting you

05/28/06 19:55:42 DougSymington: no prob

05/28/06 19:56:15 DougSymington: skype’s been very tempermental this eve

05/28/06 19:56:29 dave: it says i already have a conversation going with you

05/28/06 19:56:44 DougSymington: got a busy when I tried you

05/28/06 19:57:04 Brad_Hicks: gppd point harold

05/28/06 19:57:14 Brad_Hicks: good point

05/28/06 19:57:23 DougSymington: I’ve put it to bed for the night, enjoying the stream

05/28/06 19:57:37 dave: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/cory-doctorow-oreilly-apologist/

05/28/06 20:00:26 dave: thank you chatroom

05/28/06 20:00:35 dave: jason we need to argue about this further

05/28/06 20:00:51 Brad_Hicks: Thanks Dave

05/28/06 20:00:51 DougSymington: great show, look forward to the next go ’round

05/28/06 20:01:00 JasonRobertshaw: ‘kay. I’ll try to remember to bring my mic home next time.

05/28/06 20:01:31 DougSymington: thanks all, have a great week

05/28/06 20:01:55 Brad_Hicks: any post show?

05/28/06 20:02:04 JasonRobertshaw: I prefer to think of myself as irregular

05/28/06 20:02:09 dave: lol

05/28/06 20:02:11 DougSymington: keep Thursday night open–we can use the BStorm time…

05/28/06 20:02:12 DougSymington: lol

05/28/06 20:02:15 dave: perhaps more fiber

05/28/06 20:02:19 DougSymington: good one calamari

05/28/06 20:02:28 DougSymington: cya y’all soon

05/28/06 20:03:19 JasonRobertshaw: See, corps can’t take vacations.

05/28/06 20:03:27 JasonRobertshaw: Always on.

05/28/06 20:04:03 JasonRobertshaw: I’ll be in Second Life for a little while

05/28/06 20:04:09 JasonRobertshaw: Bye

05/28/06 20:04:15 Brad_Hicks: np dave , hope the little guy is doing well

05/28/06 20:04:27 Brad_Hicks: cya

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